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wheres the banzilla icon when you need it. [Nov. 25th, 2005|11:21 pm]
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[vegaenglit]
on_a_hillhas been removed from this community for this lovely comment

apparently i didnt catch the demsforlife community she was a member of.  im sorry.

for the love of pete!  this is a PRO-CHOICE FEMINIST community.  that kinda means you have to be both to be a member.

also, this is not a debate community.  please re-read the rules. 
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[User Picture]From: cerulean_me
2005-11-26 05:53 am (UTC)
I wonder about your definition of "feminist."

I believe in equality. I used to think that I was a feminist... but I don't really want to be thought BETTER than a man. I just want to the same recognition. My feminist friend and I are on the same page. However, I am not on the same page as another feminist friend who wants men to be punished.

I've taught my son and daughter that men and women are equal. Does that disqualify me from this community?
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[User Picture]From: vegaenglit
2005-11-26 06:05 am (UTC)
i would say that feminism means, at the basic level, that women are should have complete autonomy and free will to choose what they do with their lives. feminism acknowledges that women want the same recognition, and there are still hurdles to get the recognition.

feminism, contrary to popular belief, is NOT about being better than or punishing men.
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[User Picture]From: cerulean_me
2005-11-26 06:10 am (UTC)
I believe that we have the same definition, which is how I read on_a_hill's position.

Though, not everyone out there has that same definition of feminism.
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[User Picture]From: birthwarrior
2005-11-26 11:03 pm (UTC)
Okay, I went back and read and I'm going to come off as biased because on_a_hill is on my flist, but I'd like to think I would have responded in the same way.

You point out in your comment that this isn't a debate community, but the problem is not with on_a_hill, the OP made a post asking if people thought leaving a 1 year old at home alone was okay. The post was essentially asking for debate and really belonged in booju_mooju.

It seems like you kicked her out because she said she wasn't a feminist. A lot of people identify with feminist issues and shy from calling themsleves feminists. She didn't say that she thinks feminism is about punishing men or being better than them, she said that since she is not pro-choice, she doesn't identify as a feminist. Considering that I and others of us get so damn pissy about people calling themselves "pro-life feminists" the fact that she supports many feminist issues and refrains from IDing as feminist is respectful, IMO.

The term "feminist" is so loaded for so many people. I don't agree with removing her, and especially citing the "no debtate" clause, when nearly every comment was some form of debtate. Rightfully, the OP who started the post and everyone who answered her question in a way that disagreed should be deleted.

If being pro-choice is a pre-req for being in the community, then I guess it was an okay removal, as long as the rules say so. She didn't argue about choice at all, so if being pro-choice isn't a pre-req, then I don't think it should have even entered the fray.
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[User Picture]From: vegaenglit
2005-11-27 04:32 am (UTC)
i closed the post because this is not a debate community. sorry if that wasnt clear - ive been rather busy today with some other LJ stuff.
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[User Picture]From: birthwarrior
2005-11-27 07:15 am (UTC)
That's okay, I understand. I see that you closed it, probably a good idea!
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[User Picture]From: birthwarrior
2005-11-26 11:10 pm (UTC)
Also, I mod a feminist pro-choice community and on_a_hill is a member. She doesn't argue against choice there and she didn't here, so I don't personally think it needs to be a pre-req that one is pro-choice. I'm about as radically pro-choice as you get, so I hope you can consider that even not pro-choice moms should be able to have a feminist safe space to vent about mama issues. If she was violating the rules with debate, then apply the rules evenly. If she was violating the rules by saying she was not pro-choice, then remind her this is a pro-choice space and she is welcome to be here as long as she doesn't argue against choice.

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[User Picture]From: vegaenglit
2005-11-27 04:36 am (UTC)
that is a good point. would you like to be a co-mod here as well? im still not overly use to "wielding such power" it would be nice to have another opinion.

that said, personally, im not comfortable with the possibility of sharing personal information about abortions if there is someone who is a member who does not identify as pro-choice. i dont want someones story becoming fodder.

i did change the "rules" to clarify that. i guess in my mind, acknowledge this was a pro-choice feminist community meant that one would join because they were pro-choice and feminist.
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[User Picture]From: birthwarrior
2005-11-27 07:14 am (UTC)
I was thinking about how it would be important to feel safe talking about abortions, particularly sharing personal stories. I'll totally co-mod. :)

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From: soeursansmerci
2005-11-29 10:08 pm (UTC)
I think you'd be fantastic. :-)
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From: soeursansmerci
2005-11-29 10:08 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I also disagree with this banning. We're on several communities together, and she is just not the kind of person who would use the story of an abortion as "fodder".
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